What made the Fate series so prolific? (Compared to the other visual novel stuffs from the same type-moon thing)
| Fate Stay Night 2006 just happened to be popular enough to get people interested Most anime watchers wouldn't read a VN under any other circumstance MortalMelancholy said: What's KT? Kagetsu Tohya |
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| Because fate has jackhammer and aquatic mammals. And tsukihime has Carnival phantasm cameos. |
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| Kara no kyoukai is better than both :P. Fate feel more like your standard school fantasy show rather than the dark, sometimes even lovecraftian feeling, other main works. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Even in fate/zero, the powers and still colourful. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Tsukihime is less accessible to a general audience then Fate because of pseudo-incest, comparatively poor art, awful anime adaptation, repetition in routes, clumsy/heavyhanded use of lore, also last and most, all the rape. |
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Kezone said: Tsukihime is less accessible to a general audience then Fate because of pseudo-incest, comparatively poor art, awful anime adaptation, repetition in routes, clumsy/heavyhanded use of lore, also last and most, all the rape. don't forget the problems with the BGM. |
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Shinjisus said: Matou Shinji is the answer to all your questions. Does your trolling know no bounds, OneTrueEmiya? Matou Shinji represents the hateful, misogynist side of Fate that even I myself come to resent sometimes. The fact you are supporting him shows how vile our fanbase is, as well. OT: I would have to say the concept of the Holy Grail War is fairly intriguing, as that is what hooked me in at first. However, what kept me was the character of Matou Sakura, who in my humble opinion, is the most sympathetic character in all anime. |
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| I never look it at that way. I always feel that the whole Type-Moon universe is interesting. INb4 fake priest show up. |
zetsubousei_heroFeb 21, 2016 6:33 PM
| Top notch visuals and animation, epic music, and a variety of interesting characters. |
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| Memes and porn. Only Fate/Zero was good and it wasn't even made by the same guy. |
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| Fate is cool. Tsukihime is cool too. But I prefer Mahou Tsukai no Yoru. |
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Actually it was partly written by him. |
CherryLover said: Shinjisus said: Matou Shinji is the answer to all your questions. Does your trolling know no bounds, OneTrueEmiya? Matou Shinji represents the hateful, misogynist side of Fate that even I myself come to resent sometimes. The fact you are supporting him shows how vile our fanbase is, as well. You can't be this sensitive. You just can't. |
CherryLover said: Does your hate on Emiya has no bound, Mike?Shinjisus said: Matou Shinji is the answer to all your questions. Does your trolling know no bounds, OneTrueEmiya? Matou Shinji represents the hateful, misogynist side of Fate that even I myself come to resent sometimes. The fact you are supporting him shows how vile our fanbase is, as well. @OT Well, the Holy Grail concept is more interesting. (at least for me) And Fate's characters have KOOL powers. not to mention Fate has GARacher. |
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| Cause Rin is the sexiest one heroine of em all. (& i'm pretty sure tsun was popular at that time) Saber is good too. |
| You should ask what made it "more popular" - a blond british emotionless waifu, pointless fireworksfight scenes and memes. In short - all the wrong things. A popularity that sadly ended up damaging the franchise itself and degrading company into seeking out easy money. Entirety of nasuverse(at least up until mahoyo) ranged from good to okay, fsn was no better nor no worse from the rest of the franchise. |
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SuperRed said: Because Rin Tohsaka is bae. flannan said: Yet Ren (both the black one and the white one, Tsukihime's lolis) have never made it to anime. Is Tsukihime really your favorite anime btw? I watched it near the start of my anime career, and I enjoyed it a lot. More than FSN anime. I don't give much thought to my favorites list. I guess I should make some space for Dog Days there. |
omfgplzstop said: Fai said: You should ask what made it "more popular" - a blond british emotionless waifu, pointless fireworksfight scenes and memes. In short - all the wrong things. A popularity that sadly ended up damaging the franchise itself and degrading company into seeking out easy money. Entirety of nasuverse(at least up until mahoyo) ranged from good to okay, fsn was no better nor no worse from the rest of the franchise. Fai pls. This thread discusses why FSN was popular enough to get all those adaptations, not why the adaptations are popular. I was disappointed with UBW too, but this isn't the place for that. Nasu didn't complain about shitty adaptations back when DEENFSN was made, and he dosn't complain about them now. The only thing that's substantial enough to start making assumptions is FGO and we still don't know how much he was involved in it beyond just supervising the scenarios (which isn't much different from what he did for the anime adaptations). Don't know what you meant in the last paragraph so I won't reply. FSN was not "popular enough". FSN was one of many back then. Studio DEEN did a throw-away cash in adaptation in the style that was VERY common back then(license a visual novel adaptation, get some money, do random shit with it). They happened to go all in on the blond emotionless waifu and due to fact that her character strikes all tropes japanese otaku like, the thing got popular real fast. I'd take whatever Nasu says or does not say with a grain of salt, since current Nasu does not seem to know what the hell he is talking about as he is blinded by dollar bills. What I meant is that Mahoyo 1 is likely to be the last good Nasuverse part. FSN adaptation 2 was shit, HF will most likely be utterly rushed zerowank fest, FGO is..LOL why are we talking about non canon shit. And Tsukihime Remake is starting to sound like a commercialized otaku-bait with pointless setting change, Seibarized designs and most likely toned down content. Literally the only worthwhile part of currently ongoing nasuverse is Prillya. A mahou shoujo spin off. Yeah.... Oh and with FGO and "EASYMONEY'ALL" slogan of TM right now, we are unlikely to ever get Mahoyo 2. Hell, they are working on a "follow up" to FGO already... In hindsight, I'd rather FSN never got an adaptation by either DEEN or Ufo. Because both adaptations did more wrong than right in terms of perception and expectations. They got a second chance to get it right with ufoubw and they retreaded the same mistakes instead. Sure they popularized the franchise - but at what cost? Attracting shonen fanbase(who then complains that "nothing happens") and "Kerrysugu da bess" edgelordery? Attracting people who watch it solely for flashy fights and panty shots? If the future of Type Moon is turning into kyo-ani level chuuni setting with scantly clad waifus posing in malegaze camera shots, then I don't want such a future. |
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Fai said: FSN was not "popular enough". FSN was one of many back then. Studio DEEN did a throw-away cash in adaptation in the style that was VERY common back then(license a visual novel adaptation, get some money, do random shit with it). They happened to go all in on the blond emotionless waifu and due to fact that her character strikes all tropes japanese otaku like, the thing got popular real fast. I'd take whatever Nasu says or does not say with a grain of salt, since current Nasu does not seem to know what the hell he is talking about as he is blinded by dollar bills. What I meant is that Mahoyo 1 is likely to be the last good Nasuverse part. FSN adaptation 2 was shit, HF will most likely be utterly rushed zerowank fest, FGO is..LOL why are we talking about non canon shit. And Tsukihime Remake is starting to sound like a commercialized otaku-bait with pointless setting change, Seibarized designs and most likely toned down content. Literally the only worthwhile part of currently ongoing nasuverse is Prillya. A mahou shoujo spin off. Yeah.... Oh and with FGO and "EASYMONEY'ALL" slogan of TM right now, we are unlikely to ever get Mahoyo 2. Hell, they are working on a "follow up" to FGO already... In hindsight, I'd rather FSN never got an adaptation by either DEEN or Ufo. Because both adaptations did more wrong than right in terms of perception and expectations. They got a second chance to get it right with ufoubw and they retreaded the same mistakes instead. Sure they popularized the franchise - but at what cost? Attracting shonen fanbase(who then complains that "nothing happens") and "Kerrysugu da bess" edgelordery? Attracting people who watch it solely for flashy fights and panty shots? If the future of Type Moon is turning into kyo-ani level chuuni setting with scantly clad waifus posing in malegaze camera shots, then I don't want such a future. Sometimes it's not wrong to have a little faith, ya'know. I understand that you are bitter, occasionally with good reason. Sure, GO is a total cash in. I think most of us can agree on that. I also understand that most Fate fans are not up to the level you wish they were. That is not something you can control, and you would have better luck making rivers flow upstream then convincing the entire Fate fanbase how wrong they are. You are of the opinion that those adaptations ruined the Fate fanbase. However, you say Mahoyo is your favorite part of the franchise, correct? Money was needed to make Mahoyo as good as it was, correct? So you have the Fate franchise's success to blame for the existence of Mahoyo. You say nothing else good will come out of Type Moon, but doesn't it seem the opposite? If their most recent serious work (Mahoyo) is the best yet, and they are currently making more money then ever, isn't it logical that they will continue to make even better visual novels in the future? Type Moon is far from perfect, and no one is arguing otherwise. I too have microscopically low hopes for the HF movie, but villainizing all Zero fans will get you nowhere. Are you also saying the fights were not a big part of the visual novel? Because I remember nodding off through several. Only Prilly the in your words "the only worthwhile part of currently ongoing nasuverse" has pantyshots and excessive fanservice. And man is it excessive. You can hamper on about the horrible adaptations all you want, but coming at people for liking something won't convince them of anything. Oh yeah, and Saber is many things, emotionless is not one of them. |
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Grey-Zone said: Kezone said: Tsukihime is less accessible to a general audience then Fate because of pseudo-incest, comparatively poor art, awful anime adaptation, repetition in routes, clumsy/heavyhanded use of lore, also last and most, all the rape. don't forget the problems with the BGM. I'm under the impression that I missed something from that. The last BGM I can recall were the school bell and the thump sounds that generated when our MC Shiki was in danger or in pain. That's just some insert sounds, hardly worth calling a BGM. A VN without a soundtrack doesn't make it flawed, as it would be even weirder for the characters to be voiced while the BGM is omitted. |
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| It's more friendly and accessible to the average reader/viewer and had more anime adaptations. DEEN's adaptation, shit as it may have been, skyrocketed it's popularity. I take it you know better than Nasu about his own franchise according to yourself then. Do you have a source for your statements on canonocity? Or their working on a follow up to F/GO? Why does something been canon matter to it's quality as a published work by Type Moon? What makes Tsukihime commercialized otaku bait because they changed the setting? Those things have nothing to do with each other. How do you know the content will be toned down? Do you just happen to want porn in it? commercialized otaku-bait part of currently ongoing nasuverse is Prillya. hmm yeah ok |
InsertanamehereFeb 22, 2016 8:50 AM
| It's pretty obvious why Fate's more popular if you ask me. Since it has a few anime adaptions made by Ufotable (and literally everyone and their mum knows how much people like to wank Ufotable's visuals) plus Fate in general is kinda more chuuni than Tsukihime is (albeit Tsukihime is pretty chuuni itself). I'd imagine Tsukihime Remake will get quite a big boost in popular once Remake is released due to much better updated art, much more various and numerous OST, and maybe even voiced characters. And it's more likely than not going to get an anime by Ufotable eventually. Fai said: What I meant is that Mahoyo 1 is likely to be the last good Nasuverse part. Based on? FGO that is a mobile game that severly limits writting freedom? Or the non-released Tsukihime Remake that you've already deemed as shit-tier based on the fact that Takeuchi's art style changed (the current designs are a major improvement btw)? Also, in all honesty, Prisma Illya is quite definitely the least worthwhile Nasuverse work currently on-going (not that it's canon anyways) since it's more or less only a chuuni spin off to give FSN fans some fanservice. Tbh Prisma-Illya is an insult to FSN Illya. |
Kezone said: Sometimes it's not wrong to have a little faith, ya'know. I understand that you are bitter, occasionally with good reason. Sure, GO is a total cash in. I think most of us can agree on that. I also understand that most Fate fans are not up to the level you wish they were. That is not something you can control, and you would have better luck making rivers flow upstream then convincing the entire Fate fanbase how wrong they are. You are of the opinion that those adaptations ruined the Fate fanbase. However, you say Mahoyo is your favorite part of the franchise, correct? Money was needed to make Mahoyo as good as it was, correct? So you have the Fate franchise's success to blame for the existence of Mahoyo. You say nothing else good will come out of Type Moon, but doesn't it seem the opposite? If their most recent serious work (Mahoyo) is the best yet, and they are currently making more money then ever, isn't it logical that they will continue to make even better visual novels in the future? While Mahoyo is good and all, Tsukihime and FSN were made on shoestring budget. And yet they still triumph Mahoyo in writing. Is Mahoyo Pretty? Sure. Is it EPIC? Sure. But it is also way shorter and way less complex than Tsukihime and Fate. And sadly it sold less. And then ufoubw's adaptation which is in total opposite of what Nasuverse was, sold buckets giving a clear message on what sells. What's the point of making another mahoyo(which undersold), if they can just make another FGO with borderline porn outfits and rake in that money? Hell, we ALREADY know that they are working on a "successor" to FGO. Type Moon is far from perfect, and no one is arguing otherwise. I too have microscopically low hopes for the HF movie, but villainizing all Zero fans will get you nowhere. Not villainizing "all zero fans". Hell I still think Zero is the only ANIME of nasuverse worth watching. Sadly it DID attract a wrong type of fanbase who thought FSN is about "death game" and "Mature smoking adults killing people". Are you also saying the fights were not a big part of the visual novel? Because I remember nodding off through several. They were a PART of it. But the fights there were tactical. Tense. Psychological. The fights were great because you were following characters line of thought and soaking in that EVERY decision might be deadly. And the fights were not the majority of VN. The MAIN moments of each route? In the protagonist's head. THE MAJOR confrontations in Fate and UBW? All about thoughts and philosophy and character. Where is that in the adaptation? How am I wrong in stating that the adaptations attracted wrong kind of attention? Only Prilly the in your words "the only worthwhile part of currently ongoing nasuverse" has pantyshots and excessive fanservice. And man is it excessive. And yet it is still the only work worthwhile. And closest to what Nasuverse was. That should tell miles upon miles of info on what the rest of nasuverse IS. Prillya might have lolis, yuri and pantyshots. But Unlike ufoubw and current type moon, that is not all it has. Oh yeah, and Saber is many things, emotionless is not one of them. Does not matter. I have written miles upon miles about her character, but her character and flaws are NOT what attracts them. When you have people complaining that "Aww Saber in FSN is no longer stoic and chivalry", that's all you need to understand that majority of the "saber fans" don't really GET who she is now. Japanese Like Saber because: - She is reserved "warrior" stereotype - She is a kuudere - She is foreigner and has blond hair - She gets embarassed. And that's what we are getting with ufoubw adaptation. Not just Saber but with all characters - simplification, homogenization, streamlining, removal of depth and personality. So now we have Asuka-Clone-Rin and Clueless-Shonen-MC Shirou, together with kuudere-warrior-foreigner-Seiba fighting flashy fights while camera lingers on girl's skirts and Shirou, the traditional cardboard japanese guy gets bullied by dominant tropey Miss Tsun Tsun. And that sums up the "simplifying" of nasuverse too. Fate's biggest accomplishment is that it attracted wrong kinds of attention which led to start of streamlining away all the things that made nasuverse good and unique, turning Type Moon into Aniplex corporate puppet. I can't wait to be proven wrong with Tsukihime:R. Sadly I doubt I will be. |
AhenshihaelFeb 22, 2016 9:03 AM
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Fai said: What's the point of making another mahoyo(which undersold), if they can just make another FGO with borderline porn outfits and rake in that money? Hell, we ALREADY know that they are working on a "successor" to FGO. Still no source? Ok, I accept your concession that you don't have one and are pulling things out of your ass. > with borderline porn outfits like prillya? And yet it is still the only work worthwhile. And closest to what Nasuverse was. That should tell miles upon miles of info on what the rest of nasuverse IS. No it's not. I'd recommend actually reading other Nasuverse works before you make that statement. It might serve to improve the credibility of your statements as opposed to making up stories about people being salty enough at you to send you dead cats. I can't wait to be proven wrong with Tsukihime:R. Sadly I doubt I will be. Of course you won't you've already convinced yourself of that. Dab1za9 said: Nope it didn't it sold 100k in it first year compared to fate which sold 140k, it only got hate from 2ch and who the hell care about 2ch. Right indeed, Mahoyo "underselling" is a meme due to it not being as popular as F/SN (surprise!). |
InsertanamehereFeb 22, 2016 10:44 AM
Fai said: Prillya might have lolis, yuri and pantyshots. But Unlike ufoubw and current type moon, that is not all it has. Yes, it also has excessive cringey writting in the first two manga series and only gets somewhat worthwhile in 3rei. And that's only if you want to see old FSN chars kick ass and have a bunch of chuuni moments because the whole story and drama falls down to a blander copy paste of elements that came from FSN and Notes. If you want an actual worthwhile story-line with those elements or characters, read FSN and Notes. If you want a side chuuni fanservice thing for your favorite FSN characters, read 3rei. And that's only if you're willing to go through the cringefest that are the first two Prisma manga prior to 3rei. Not to say 3rei is bad because it's a really fun read, but man, even GO that doesn't really have a storyline of note (this is mostly due to it being a mobile game which limits writting freedom) is about a thousand times more worthwhile due to how much interesting canonical lore stuff and new HS it has in it. Oh and for all the stupid stuff UfoUBW did, it never had yuri baiting that comes in the form of lolis literally french-kissing each other so it's still much better than the first two Prillya manga. Japanese Like Saber because: - She is reserved "warrior" stereotype - She is a kuudere - She is foreigner and has blond hair - She gets embarassed. xdd You can very easily pick out elements like these from every female character in any anime thing ever. |
AirConditionerFeb 22, 2016 9:36 AM
| Suddenly Billy appears I'm actually disappointed you didn't bring up some random ass book you've recently read You prefer the flat and simple, what is told to you without any hint of deception. 'Tis the result of you forcing me to read GoT books with you I've grown fond of this type of storytelling I even bought physical versions of them just to read them for you, Billy You costed me my lunch money for the whole week that day |
| Does Tsukihime have Shinji Matou, the misogynistic troll that we all love to hate and hate to love? It doesn't CherryLover said: Lmao le epic troll xDShinjisus said: Matou Shinji is the answer to all your questions. Does your trolling know no bounds, OneTrueEmiya? Matou Shinji represents the hateful, misogynist side of Fate that even I myself come to resent sometimes. The fact you are supporting him shows how vile our fanbase is, as well. |
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Tywin_Lannister said: You wouldn't appreciate it. It's just some book detailing the lives of a mobster family in the United States some fifty years ago. I could go into it, sure. But there's only so many ways I can say dog fucker online. You did buy those lol, and you never read them, am I right? That's a shame. There's near endless speculation in those, especially the last two books. Bby go work your street corner. Someone will give you a fat load soon and you can afford to eat. I don't fuck dogs, Billy. That's rude to your mother. And lmao, I did. But I bitched out on reading the books after reading like a third of the first one because I couldn't be bothered to sit down and stare at text on a white sheet. I might finish it one day, but knowing how lazy I am, I prolly won't. The books do seem kinda interesting though. Get me a job at your dad's alcohol store. I'll quit the workshop if you do. |
| Because Fate have Kotomine Kirei and dang memes. |
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DejWo said: Good questionComic_Sans said: Does Tsukihime have Shinji Matou, the misogynistic troll that we all love to hate and hate to love? I think it is funny how Shinji is despised while Gilgamesh is praised,even though he is worse than Shinji. Is it identifying with vs wish-fulfilment? That actually sounds like a pretty good explanation now that I think about it |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
DejWo said: Shinji and Gil are similar? This is lol worthy.Comic_Sans said: Does Tsukihime have Shinji Matou, the misogynistic troll that we all love to hate and hate to love? I think it is funny how Shinji is despised while Gilgamesh is praised,even though he is worse than Shinji. Is it identifying with vs wish-fulfilment? Shinji's superiority complex is merely a facade to cover up his inferiority complex. Gil's is genuine to the point that he even believes the gods are beneath him. |
-MahesvaraFeb 22, 2016 12:19 PM
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omfgplzstop said: I don't have much to add, honestly. We'll just have to wait and see. I still don't think FGO's existence should be treated as some kind of testament that Type Moon is now corrupt and that Nasu is only in it for the money, given that, again, all the poor adaptations have been made under Nasu's supervision as well and that we don't know how much of FGO he actually wrote. You probably shouldn't get swept in by Fai's ''Nasu is in it just for the money'' remarks about FGO considering Nasu literally dropped Fate/Extra CCC in our laps 3 years ago (and Mahoyo a year before that) and he's currently working on Tsukihime Remake, which unlike people like to believe, isn't being ''held back'' by Nasu's laziness. In fact, he only probably got into focusing on Tsukihime Remake more after 2012-2013 (since he was working on Mahoyo and CCC before that) and it's hardly a surprise for a 50+h visual novel to take years to complete. Actually, Sakura no Uta, which is considered the best VN of 2015, took literally 11 years to complete because the author wasn't exactly satisfied with the results he was getting and kept scrapping it. And how many years have passed since he finally got CCC and Mahoyo off his to-do list? Only 3. And given that we got Tsukihime Remake's new designs and background art last year, it's pretty valid to assume the release date for it should be out this or next year. It actually wouldn't be strange to assume Mahoyo 2 is being worked on as well given that he worked on CCC, Mahoyo and Tsukihime Remake simultaneously during the 2008-2013 time period. |
-Mahesvara said: Nah, Shinji is a superior being who suffers thanks to our sins. Gil is a bitch who gets rekted in every route for being a brat. I'm being sarcastic.DejWo said: Shinji and Gil are similar? This is lol worthy.I think it is funny how Shinji is despised while Gilgamesh is praised,even though he is worse than Shinji. Is it identifying with vs wish-fulfilment? Shinji's superiority complex is merely a facade to cover up his inferiority complex. Gil's is genuine to the point that he even believes the gods are beneath him. |
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Illyricus said: Nah, Shinji is a superior being who suffers thanks to our sins. Gil is a bitch who gets rekted in every route for being a brat. I'm being sarcastic. but gil is like, deep and stuff when he's not in the f/sn vn you see omfgplzstop said: Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. I wasn't really 'swept in' by it, just used his words to make my point easier to understand. He wrote only the prologue for GO but he oversees and modifies the other authors parts in the story to fit in canonically. |
InsertanamehereFeb 22, 2016 1:28 PM
Comic_Sans said: Does Tsukihime have Shinji Matou, the misogynistic troll that we all love to hate and hate to love? It doesn't No but Tsukihime has this guy:  and a character called Michael Roa VALDAMJONG |
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omfgplzstop said: @-Mahesvara He was referring to the fact that both have similar misogynistic attitudes. He wouldn't have labeled one wish-fulfillment and the other identification(?) if he thought they were similar in character. Gil isn't misogynistic, he looks down on just about everyone, gender has nothing to do with it. Illyricus said: lmlNah, Shinji is a superior being who suffers thanks to our sins. Gil is a bitch who gets rekted in every route for being a brat. I'm being sarcastic. |
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sadpotato250 said: He looks like a try hard total loserComic_Sans said: Does Tsukihime have Shinji Matou, the misogynistic troll that we all love to hate and hate to love? It doesn't No but Tsukihime has this guy: and a character called Michael Roa VALDAMJONG 0/10 Shinji masterrace |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Not sure if "try hard" would be an accurate term to describe him with though... |
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| Woah He copied Yu Narukami from Persona 4 Such copycat much wow |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
He would be never surpass Gary motherfucking Oak however: |
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| Fate had more mass appeal, a VN with a much better budget, and DEEN stay night was actually popular. Appealing to the lowest common denominator helps quite a bit. |
Maloghurst said: Fate had more mass appeal, a VN with a much better budget, and DEEN stay night was actually popular. Appealing to the lowest common denominator helps quite a bit. I prefer them to appeal to the lowest common factor, personally, because the numerators are rather divided over how to simplify the show. While there's a fine line between denominators and numerators, both simply don't add up when they express themselves. |
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